56) American Propaganda (with Abigail)

[00:00:01] Good morning, welcome back to the Digressor, this is Trevor and I have a very special guest today again because this is actually the first episode I've recorded with Abigail.

[00:00:58] But it's the third one you've, no fourth one you've heard, no third one. I've changed the order Abigail. I've changed the order, canless shift is going to be in part two because I realize we're we're going to talk about serious stuff. So yeah, so this is the third time Abigail has been on the show but the first time we've recorded the timeline is all messed up anyway, it's like hi, I have like hey everybody. Welcome back for the first time because this is

[00:01:29] recording out of order made sense at the time, now that I'm actually in the moment, I'm like.

[00:01:36] So now like we can't reference things like people are going to be like, oh, Abigail's back on now they're going to reference things they talked about in the other episodes like nope this is our first time.

[00:01:49] Good time, good times but yeah, I something that I you and I have talked about, but I haven't said on here yet even though the audience has probably heard it now because again, the timeline is on a lack now the multiverse darn you, Logan.

[00:02:09] And is Abigail and I were actually we've been friends for a while we met because podcasts and every time it seems every time we talk we had another episode that we're going to be in together.

[00:02:25] For a while I was like number one I first approached you with it. I'm like so um would you like to be in one of my episodes and you're like, yeah, like eventually it was like four episodes and I'm like okay you're in four episodes.

[00:02:39] Emory was in five a four a four or five episodes across three seasons you're in that many in one so you're pretty special. I feel special. You are anyway so the.

[00:02:57] I'm tempted to say hey, tell them about your podcast this is the third time they've heard you know what over exposure to the bad thing tell them about your podcast.

[00:03:07] Okay, so I have two podcasts the first one is the manic pixie where to which most of you might know me from and it's a podcast where we talk about all the different kinds of relationships that you can have in your life.

[00:03:21] From Avengers to math to you know wrestling to pretty much anything that you can think of that you can have a relationship with that's what we talk about.

[00:03:32] And the other one is best idea in the room where me and my co-host Brian Perkins we rate and review commercials so check both about.

[00:03:46] I like both your podcast but that other one it feels interactive because you'll talk about a commercial then I go and I literally look it up and watch it on YouTube and then.

[00:03:57] Yeah, it's it's kind of interactive like that so sometimes you're like most of the commercials you'll talk about I've never even seen so it's like I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:04:07] And then like other ones are like so famous like I can picture without even having to look it up.

[00:04:14] Yeah, we have a lot of that's really is what it's like that's really is one is so iconic as soon as you said, Julie is I'm like I know it's what you're talking about. But yeah, and your main show it's it's I love the progression of it so.

[00:04:35] You're like it started out as you know it's I'm not good at wording I'm not going to explain anything to the people I try to explain that to people but well.

[00:04:46] And so you're so started off my favorite I think even you have a lot of great episodes but even now I think I've told you many times I think my favorite episode you've ever done was the casino one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:05:03] And I think she's my favorite guest you've had on and yeah, I think just like to fill that episode and like I don't know but like one thing a lot of what your show is how it'll take like a topic and.

[00:05:19] I can't even think of anything else that's off of my head but like. Because you know once you're in the moment you're you blank out.

[00:05:29] Yeah, and you go like some surprisingly deep with it like I'm thinking like actually hang on I have to actually look up episodes because. This is why spelling be people like of course spelling be just easy you can spell anything that's what's nice.

[00:05:44] So hard to get in the moment still cat circle get it Batman yeah I totally get it I suck at spelling.

[00:05:55] I'm not good at spelling okay relationship with terms of engagement or like the purpose one like at that point actually let me go back the some of their. I'm just going to take a look at that really surprised me. The thick what the. Okay, I should.

[00:06:21] I don't really plan ahead you know this you talked about that we wing it sometimes it where sometimes it doesn't but yeah like I'll see the name of the episode and I'm like huh this would be a fun episode and then you get into like like still a softacle and like existential and like.

[00:06:36] I can't do with the right now. I don't for the. I'm trying to for that my relationship with purpose and I'm like oh dear God what are we doing sure enough. I'm adding into the episode and questioning everything. Yeah, that's so good that's like I love that.

[00:07:01] Yeah, and like I love how like you get like really deep like I love listening to talk because. Yeah, and then like even talking with you live like I've we've had so many. Conversations like it in Twitter spaces and even phone calls were like.

[00:07:22] That one day I didn't realize we were talking for three hours. I know all my eyes time just like flies. I think it was so fun and it was like so probably been about 45 minutes.

[00:07:34] Wow, you're always in the talk to him just click right away and I love that. Oh thank you that's so sweet. But anyway, so the. I had an idea for this episode and I wasn't even.

[00:07:55] I mean, I think I I accidentally misled you when I told you how I came upon you for this episode. I had an idea for the episode because I'm watching a video about American propaganda and about like how in the my.

[00:08:09] In my memory and I were talking about how like we were taught different things from what like we were both taught totally different histories.

[00:08:17] And like I had things excluded they had things that were like explained upon and like other countries have different histories and I'm like it's like. I'm like I'm gonna do an episode on that and then I heard the episode was based it.

[00:08:33] You did a few weeks back when you know we're talking about this sort of thing and I'm like hey I know who would be a perfect guest. Oh yeah. Yes, and so. Now I'm talking to the audience.

[00:08:48] It's like that we're talking about American propaganda and you're like yeah I know that why you agreed.

[00:08:55] And so like so what we mean by American propaganda is we actually had a conversation on how we were going to approach it because there's an endless list of ways we could approach this because all of them are correct too because.

[00:09:11] Yeah, but we decided to focus on the education system because that's kind of where it springs from like. I have so many stories of me learning the truth about history trying to tell people about it and they're like that is a lie.

[00:09:30] History revisionists no no it's not a revisionist you got the revisionist version. Oh yeah so. Or this episode after you're going to be with basically talk about that.

[00:09:44] Yeah, I mean the education system in the United States is just like super broken and I do think that a lot of that stems from like the way that we teach especially subjects like history.

[00:10:03] And because we just like we conveniently leave out like a whole bunch of stuff you know what I'm saying. Yes, I'm not in the audience. I do that all the time but I mean. It's just really. I opening once you like begin to sort of realize.

[00:10:33] You know all of the different like elements and all of the different ways that like, you know it has been revisionists like you were saying and it has omitted is conveniently omitted you know it's it's a omitted so some people are a little bit like.

[00:10:52] Like, um, like some people don't think that.

[00:11:01] Oh, it is all lie like it's a and that's feels like a lot of times in like especially history class and I mean it really goes into all of the different sort of subjects that you learn like even near core subjects.

[00:11:23] But I really, really think that it's really dominant in like history classes. I didn't really get, sorry excuse me. I didn't really get a lot of like revisionist history until I entered like high school that was really when.

[00:11:47] Like history became sort of like it opened my eyes to what all the different like facets of.

[00:11:56] The lying through a mission began and I but I ended up I actually ended up especially through like my whole education I ended up with a pretty good with pretty good series of like history teachers and professors that really just like made you think and like tried really hard and like their best to sort of open all of the doors and answer all of the questions it wasn't until I really I had like one that I can specifically think of like one history professor.

[00:12:26] I it was just very like by the book this is just what it is like there's no deviating from this and I can I curse. I'd rather you not. Okay. I forgot to address that.

[00:12:43] I was like that problem child like in school like I was the one that like was just an agent of chaos and just like definitely. I think it started things that didn't necessarily need to be started and probably weren't like appropriately in context.

[00:13:04] Started like in the middle of class I would just ask really random ridiculous questions and I remember I had a professor one time and I asked I was like so how do you know like how do you know for sure that this is like.

[00:13:16] So I just want to share it form of history and he was like well we know because we it was written down and I was like so you just like trust what these people like say okay.

[00:13:29] And that and that was never like that who I was like I was that kind of a kid and it caused a lot of problems for me especially in like academic career. Until I really got to college and stuff, but especially when I was younger,

[00:13:44] it really caused a lot of problems because I was just that kid that would just ask all of these really ridiculous questions. And I didn't think they were ridiculous. I thought I was asking like, good, flageid of questions.

[00:13:54] Like how do you know this is an accurate form of history? And it really opened my eyes when I asked that question and I got like the smart, I like response back because it was one of those things

[00:14:10] that was like, that answer was not good enough for me. Like I just kept pushing. It's like that line of questioning did not stop there. It just kept pushing and I could tell from like, an outside perspective, like especially from my classmates, like I was just being

[00:14:26] not really annoying like smart, I like kid. But these were questions that I really wanted to know the answers to and nobody could give them to me. And so I ended up having to like go out on my own

[00:14:40] and like finding the answers to all of these questions. And I remember feeling very lied to and very, not disenfranchised but very, just very lied to and very upset about like the things that I would find out about history and like things that we were being taught

[00:15:04] and how it wasn't accurate. And I think that that's, I know we're talking about American propaganda but that's really where it started for me that like my eyes started to begin to open to like, like I kind of put these magic glasses on

[00:15:17] that the universe had sort of like given me at a really young age and it just really opened my eyes to all of the different ways that like would be lied to. Does that make sense? Am I just rambling? Yeah, no. See, though thing is it's like

[00:15:35] because like I know from like listening to your podcast what it sounds like you're rambling but like you're still making coherent sense. That makes sense? Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, because like I'm listening to your podcast and like it does sometimes it does sound like you're rambling

[00:15:54] on but like I follow along I get what you're saying and it makes total sense and I can't wait, I don't want you to stop the club and say like I can't wait for you to not stop. Yes, that's how I was a reason to wear that.

[00:16:06] I'm like no, that doesn't make sense but yeah, I know what you mean. I got in trouble sometimes too for as something I've got some questions. I told you about it the other day. Some of the things I'm gonna repeat

[00:16:23] what I said in the space is they were, they kept you and I, I forgot what you said. I grew up in the 90s. I thought, remember, you said to grow up in the 90s? I was born in the 90s. Yeah, okay. I was 88. I was 93.

[00:16:41] Oh, I was kidding, I got hurt in anyway. So I grew up immediately after the cold war ended. It's all the Berlin well, well, but bad and the rare. And so like they even back then they were pushing like commoners and bad

[00:16:57] coming to the bad that's all they said, commoners, medieval. And so like I remember in high school one day it was in the early 2000s with my entire life. I never knew what communism was. I just knew it was bad and it was evil,

[00:17:12] you know, that country over there's bad because they have communism, America's save the day cause they got rid of communism. So one day I just asked, I was like, what's communism? Why is it so bad? Oh, it's communism is bad because it's evil

[00:17:25] and it's, you know, it's a horrible system and it's like, but why? And finally never a satisfying answer. Yeah, it's kind of got going in circles and eventually I got into the printables office for like undermining the teacher. It's like no, I just want,

[00:17:41] and like I told you, and I told everyone the education system in America, they don't teach you how to think, they teach you what to think. Yeah, they do, they really do. And that's I think by design. My actually I gotta see, I asked somebody last night

[00:17:58] if I could share their story, did something happen to them yesterday that fit perfectly. So a friend of mine, I have two stories, a friend of mine, her son, when he was in preschool, he was just years ago, this isn't what I was talking about.

[00:18:22] He was his son, her son was, okay, my friend's son was in preschool. So they got distracted. And you know that, that board thing has like the shapes and he put like the cube in the square peg, the cube in the square hole

[00:18:40] and the cylinder in the circle hole all that. He was playing around with that and he realized that everything fit into the square peg into the square hole. And he had got excited, like what else fits in there? He's thinking like hot wheels in there

[00:18:56] and all sorts of stuff and like troll dolls and all sorts of things. And so he's having a good time, he's like he's learning, he's finding out like all this stuff he can do. And when my friend went to go pick him up

[00:19:08] at the end of the day they pulled him aside and was like you need to get your son tested. We think he has mental issues. Like no, he smarter than the other kids. It's like that's the world, that's the society we're living in. The intelligent kid,

[00:19:23] he like figures literally outside of the box. The other kid would have been like, trying to like, why is it this fitting into the arch? I was like we only had to put the arch fits into the arch and still in her fits into this.

[00:19:37] This is like, you know that, you see that TikTok recently where that was funny that girl is like, the intro talking about. She was like if it's in the circle, yes, you're right, it goes into the circle. Yeah, yeah, yes, that was funny.

[00:19:52] But that was him, but you know, like obviously that one was a joke. But that's what they wanted us to be as a society as her. It's like no, it goes into the circle. Yeah, it's just very,

[00:20:11] it's very, this is the one way that it has to be done. This is how it's done. This is how it's always been done. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I am so just like, this is part of the reason why I think I'm a robot.

[00:20:27] But like, I just don't think that way. Like that's just not how, like so when you're talking about like, why is communism bad? Like that just, that concept never made sense to me because it's like, because to me, it was always like, well, but why?

[00:20:42] Why is it bad? Why is socialism bad? Like what are these other forms of government that we have? Why do we have to do this one way? Like you can't tell me that like other countries use other forms of government and they're all bad.

[00:20:54] Like just because they don't do it our way, doesn't mean that it's wrong. And I think that has a lot to do with the way that I was like, Ray is doing like growing up. And but I just never got satisfactory answers. And it just continued to stem.

[00:21:11] And it really opened my eyes to like what American propaganda is. And what that like where it begins and where it sort of falls into like various in unsendriacategories. And I don't, I mean, it's kind of like the whole make America great against slogan.

[00:21:34] Like that slogan never really made sense to me either because it was like good. Great again for who? Great again for who? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like, no, no, you had to, you have to be like rich white and a man.

[00:21:50] Like if you are in a demographic then it does not apply to you. If you are not a what like in super wealthy, rich white men, then that slogan does not apply to you. Yes. So, if you've been, you stop taking your blue pills haven't you?

[00:22:10] You went off and took one of those red pills. No, I took purple. I was like, both. You wanted to see what would happen. Why choose? Yeah, that's plover. Yeah, that's not it. What happened if you take both? It's like, oh okay,

[00:22:31] I see what happened to be taken both. You see the reality. Doubted. Like, virtually happening. And okay, so the other thing that happened that happened to the other day is a friend of mine, her son, I talked about this, you know what I'm gonna say.

[00:22:51] He took the start test. Which we didn't have the start test or I was in school. They had the, there was the tax test and then the cost test and hated them both because all the cost test just and then like all year, some of the teachers,

[00:23:09] they weren't even teaching us because I don't know if I said this in the episode, Abigail and I grew up in Texas. So we're both Texas people. And so anyway, that's, so if you're in another state and you're like, why don't they ever heard

[00:23:23] the T stands for Texas? And so I think could be teaching, I don't know, I know there are only Texas but they, the whole year for most of these classes, they would not focus on teaching us things. They would be like,

[00:23:38] all right, we need to get our tax scores of our task scores up because they're pretty low for this region. And so they would, they would focus on getting the standardized tests scores up but not really teaching us anything. And so that was us,

[00:23:55] the introduction to what I'm about to say. That's setting the stage for people who don't know about all of that. So a friend of mine, her two kids are like, they're 10 and 11 and they're two of the smartest kids I know. They're like,

[00:24:11] I'm having like full grown adult conversation with them and they're asking me, like really intelligent conversations, I'm like, you're stumping me over here. I have to go lose some research if I enter you. And so the their 10 year old, he took the star test and he failed it.

[00:24:28] And he's out in a new summer school and he's like really depressed right now because he's, because they're making him feel like he's an idiot. And I even told him like, you're not, you're like, I can guarantee you, you're the smartest kid in your class

[00:24:42] and he feels that way because they made him feel that way because he failed some standardized tests. And he even said himself, they didn't go over a lot of the stuff that was on the test. Yeah.

[00:25:00] First rule of first thing I need to know about like the star. So it originally was like the tax test and then it became like the toss test and it changed so many different times over the years, like it's just really good.

[00:25:13] It's the same thing that it changed the name. Yeah, essentially. Because that one needs to be fixed. Right, because that's what needs to be fixed. We changed the logo. For real. But it's a standardized test, much like the SAT or like the ACT.

[00:25:34] Now if you're anything like me, I suck so badly at taking standardized tests any sort of multiple choice testing like that. I, my anxiety just like gets the better of me and I cannot like focus. I can't. I get really like nervous.

[00:25:54] I mean my parents used to tell me like any time I was taking any sort of multiple choice test at all. Like because I would go, like I would go in to any sort of standardized testing and I would do like my first answer

[00:26:09] to whatever the question was would be correct and then I would go back because they would always be like, well, you have to make sure you check your work and I would go back and as I was checking my work, I would get very overwhelmed and very anxious

[00:26:23] and I would second guess myself and I would erase the correct answer and change my answer and you could see on the tests where I did that and so many times growing up. I had so I had to have so many teachers

[00:26:40] that would be like just go with your first answer, like just go with your first answer because it's right and everybody could see that I picked the correct answer first but because everybody was like, go back and check your work. I would go back and check my work

[00:26:52] and I would completely erase it and it would, yeah, it was a nightmare. I hate standardized testing. So if you're anything like me and you're not good at standardized testing, those tests suck so bad for you. Yes, I'm not good at tests as stuff like that

[00:27:09] and I hate that they use stuff like that and like job interviews. If you sell a job interview, you're gonna be bad at work. I'm not good at these kind of things. Like, job interviews should be like, hey, you're gonna be lifting merchandise and moving it.

[00:27:26] So I'm gonna have you do that as an interview, not ask new bunch of questions but yeah, I tried joining the military twice at your high school, I tried to join in the air force in the middle of 2016 to see ads van.

[00:27:41] And I got it all, every section I got scored high but then on the math section, I'm just lexic. I didn't know that at the time. I found out after way after. I didn't last in my whole life being told by teachers, especially math teachers,

[00:27:58] oh, you're just too stupid move on. And so I didn't know that I was a sexy but my math section on the ads van was like really low, because I'm bad at math even now. And so, and then I year later,

[00:28:12] because you got a way to your, I did the army as bad and there's, I think their scores are like, you had to, it's lower to get in. And I still, I got higher scores on every section but the math was like almost like really low,

[00:28:25] like really low. And they just, the same thing when they were just basically like, well, they themselves didn't say, no, you're too stupid to join the military. They were just like, oh, maybe you could try again in this long of, they actually were pretty good about it.

[00:28:39] It's the people in my life that were, especially like some of the teachers, I was still new because it was a small town that were like, see, I told you, you're too stupid to do anything. That's what they do is they just like,

[00:28:51] because you can't do a test and you can't do, like, like you were saying, like standardized tests are like as bad because you fail at that, oh, you're a garbage person you're not gonna mountain anything, you can't do anything.

[00:29:05] And it's all speaking of a merit drop I gained. Oh yeah, it comes back to what we're talking about. I'm glad, I even mind I'm taking, I'm growing up stuff like it back on subject. Nope, nope. We decided to center it on the education system

[00:29:20] but this all comes back to, I'm like, I'm talking about the military now because like no, that is, I wanted to touch on that too at some point. But like, I got, I was about to hit something and then okay so have we talked about the,

[00:29:40] I know we haven't talked about the military in this reporting but in the past have we talked about it? No, I don't think so. Okay, because we've talked about so much already. It's like we should just start recording every one of our conversations,

[00:29:55] but I think every one of our conversations could be a podcast episode of itself. But you're so fun to talk to, talk with and but like okay so I mean I get to put some faith with a few years ago. It made a lot of people angry because

[00:30:10] people misinterpreted it. They said why do you hate the military? Love them, they fought for your right to say those things because I don't hate the military. I know we need the military for obvious reason. But what I was saying when my post,

[00:30:30] I was basically talking about a specific group of people who joined the military. I know people that I went to high school with who were like the jock douchebags. I'm in charge of everyone, the Alpha male people. They went into the military for the power

[00:30:50] and it just corrupt them even further and they come out and they're even worse. I know like a lot of people, especially when I'm from in Texas. Oh yeah, you're in Texas too, I keep reading that. But yeah, they basically workshop the military

[00:31:04] and if someone I've known people who don't wear the fatigue out in public, they'll make it known during the military and then like oh I can't afford this, I guess I'm not gonna eat, oh that's okay, I'll get it. Thank you for your service.

[00:31:18] And they take full advantage of that because they know that people basically works with the military which I mean I did it to an extent that when people like that take advantage of that, does that make sense? Yeah, it makes total sense. Okay, I know.

[00:31:36] Oh go ahead, sorry. Oh I'm clearing my throat. You couldn't tell whenever you were talking, I learned the mic off and I could clearing my throat. You wanna know what blows my mind about the military? Go ahead. That the VA is not in the military budget. What?

[00:32:02] Yeah, it blows my mind. Like I, and it makes me so angry because like, it's like how in the, don't talk to me about supporting the troops and like being there for your vote and like being there for veterans when they cannot get adequate healthcare

[00:32:23] when they cannot get what they need as soon when they come back or when they're done with their service. Don't even talk to me about supporting the troops or being part of the military or anything like that when the VA is not part of the military budget

[00:32:39] and the reason that they say is because it would be too expensive. Don't talk to me about that, like, come on. We, our military has the largest budget of any military in the world. I know. And we can find money for these people

[00:32:56] to like, so to take care of them when they're back and like done. I think I saw charts and margins because our military budget is so big. It's if you combine all the military budgets for every other country in the world,

[00:33:10] combine it, it ours is still higher than that. Yeah, for the next 26 countries in the United States, what am I doing? Yeah. But no, so like the United States is number one for like the military budget and then the next, if you combine the next 26 countries together

[00:33:32] it still wouldn't equal the amount of money that the United States spends on its military but the VA is not part of that. It's not important. Do you want to have notices that like while they're in the military and fighting over there?

[00:33:46] I mean, I get why people feel the way they do because like, yes, I signed up twice. I tried twice to get the military but like, I didn't realize, I just did it because that's what you're supposed to do. That's what I was raised being called like,

[00:34:04] you know, you know, you graduate. You join the military, you get a job, get a wife, get a kid and raise a family, retire and die. And so that I'm just doing what I would told us what you're supposed to do. But like, I wouldn't actually do it

[00:34:17] because I know people that are over there now or not now but like they were over there and they were like, it's scary. Like it is not for the family's heart. Like they are like the people who like willingly go there and knowing what they're getting into.

[00:34:31] Like they are brave. Like I'm not putting them down. And so like while people are over there, like they're basically worshiped which there's like a certain level where it's like, yeah, I appreciate them and like you know, the fourth of troops

[00:34:47] but then it gets down to like straight up worship of the military and like, where they throw them in your face. Like if you, a lot of people like if you say something, they just eat that you just to, if you say something that people disagree

[00:35:01] with or throw the military in your face. Well, just remember that we've got troops that died for your ability to say that. Like okay. And then like you're saying like once they're, once they're veterans, I San Francisco has a very high homeless population.

[00:35:19] And I'm based on the camouflage on some of them. I'm pretty sure a lot of them are former military. Oh yeah, it would not surprise me. And that and we don't take care of them. Exactly. That's kind of what you were saying about. And that's like,

[00:35:38] we worship them while they're over there. Like when they're actually like over there. I'm still trying to like, where I know like you know what I'm talking about but I'm in the mindset of like this is being recorded

[00:35:51] and there's people that like if you say anything other than all hell, the mighty military, then they'll like, you hate the military like no. So I'm trying to word things better. Like another country as they see America as like a machine gun, toting bald eagle shooting rockets.

[00:36:12] And it was a American flag wave behind it. And that's like, that's America. America. And but like that's other countries like the British flag. Like do you ever really see the British flag? Like whenever like you see like people like in Britain,

[00:36:31] like this, you like their houses and stuff, you see like the British flag painted on everything they were wearing the British flag or the Union Jack I think it's called. I actually, I think I have a bunch of friends in the UK. I think they said,

[00:36:43] what everyone sees as the British flag is actually like, is like, admit for something that if they have like multiple flags and they use it for like I didn't research this. I have, I want to, when I go out and hear it say,

[00:36:57] I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not an expert. I'm taking a leaf out of Karen and George's book, my favorite murder. I'm not an expert. This is just two friends talking. I don't agree. The OGs really though. The OGs really was like the propaganda

[00:37:20] and the like the worshiping of the flag would be like the British military, like the OGs. I mean they literally conquered the world. Like this little bit of the island, literally conquered the entire world and they still have like a foothold and a lot of different places

[00:37:37] and it's, I mean, yeah, the OGs for real. Yeah, and they say the sun does set on the British Empire. I don't know if that's true. And it didn't, it was like really long time. It's not as wide as what I think, like the loosening up on that.

[00:37:55] I think like now that the clue is about to die soon, she's trying to like make a min for some of her regrets. Yeah. And so like I think over the last few years she's like given like, she's kind of given some of these places back they're independent.

[00:38:12] So like we no longer, you're your own people no, okay. That's like that's like the bare minimum. I mean it's good that they're doing that that she's doing that but it's like at this time it's like it reminds me of like, I think I'm supporting now saying,

[00:38:27] you know what? I think that guy might not be that great african. Like yeah, you're late. You don't get credit for just late to the party. Yeah, you don't really, you don't really get credit for discovering that years six years after we all knew it.

[00:38:52] That's another American flag like that is like has never made like an even like so in schools like in the United States here in the United States. We have something called the Pledge of the League of Dumps and it's exactly what it sounds like.

[00:39:11] You pull a legion to a flag to a piece of ink cloth, you pledge allegiance to it. And it's very propaganda oriented and we teach this is what we teach it like one of the first things that we teach our children in school is the pledge

[00:39:27] allegiance to the like and then if you live in any other state that was like like so Texas, we also have like eight Texas flag like one repomble and then I think it have remembered that. Wait, Africa? Okay, so sorry about that.

[00:40:00] If you notice, I still don't know where I'm gonna put the edit at but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna leave a little bit of the glitching effect. So you know, something was going on, but the signal completely dropped and we had it in the call

[00:40:16] and now we're back, Abigail's in a better spot. Not only because it's a better signal, but now you can actually see her better. So that's always a plus. So anyway, continuing where we left. We were kind of glit sauce, we were talking to the pledge of allegiance

[00:40:32] which is something I was hoping to talk on too but I forgot about it, why be brought it up. But since that's the spot where I started to glitz, can you start over what you were saying? Yeah, absolutely. So for a fall, I'm really sorry you guys

[00:40:46] that was completely my fault. I'm in the middle of nowhere, Texas. So my signal is like super just like bad. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. But yeah, so in the United States we have something called the pledge of allegiance where we start teaching children

[00:41:03] what that is at a very young age starting, I believe in like kindergarten and you basically put your hand here. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, and it's, and I don't know if you can hear me right now.

[00:41:30] But you're glitching really bad right now. Staying. Hello? Oh no. Can you hear me now? I can hear you. Okay. I think it's talking about the pledge, because it, it happened when you're talking about the pledge before and then you start talking about the pledge,

[00:41:54] we were fine until you start talking about the pledge and it happened at the same spot. So maybe we skipped that subject. Oh my gosh, I got to ask you guys like come and take us. Oh my goodness. I'm probably gonna leave some of that in.

[00:42:10] I'll just keep going. We're gonna keep going. Where is it? You thought it's something else. So you have, when you were in school? I couldn't understand you just then. Okay, I'm gonna try it with my video off and see if that helps. Okay. Can you hear me?

[00:42:36] Yep, I can hear you can hear me. Okay, I think the thing that was part of the issue. So yeah, if you're listening, if you're watching on YouTube, you can't see, if I see your nasty, I see pixie. I'm thinking pixie.

[00:42:50] You can't see it, but you can't see pixie. Crap. You can't see her anymore. Hmm. The wonders of the world. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, we did have the, I will say, well, you did have a manic pixie where that was full. We did have, you know,

[00:43:14] I'm being distracted by your name. I, we had the flood of allegiance when I went to school. And around sophomore year, I started to realize, hey, this is kind of a creepy concept, pledging allegiance. I, that's when I started to have kind of like

[00:43:32] a disourgement around that time. Like, I, not to the extent I later had after school and I realized everything we taught was a lie, but it's kind of like, I don't really like what we're doing kind of thing.

[00:43:41] Like, I don't know if it was like a rebellious thing. It's like just because like the country could have been fine. And I'm just like, I don't like it because it's authority. I don't know my mindset at the time. I just know that I stopped saying the pledge.

[00:43:55] Sometimes I would stand, we're never one else with some time that would stay seated. But yeah, there was a couple of times where teachers did throw the veterans in my face. This one kind of older teacher, he was like, he got kind of emotional.

[00:44:15] He was like, well, I'll have you know that my father, my grandfather, my dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, they died so that you couldn't have that freedom to be as disrespectful as you are right now. That's sort of thing. Perfect. Yeah, it's like, well,

[00:44:31] and I'm sure that'll love the fact that you're using them like this. Oh, right. That always like softened. When people try to throw it back in your face and like use people to use it as like, it's almost like virtually signaling in a way. Yes.

[00:44:47] And it's like with that cabinet, that's the Supreme Court nominee thing. The cabinet, cappernock? Yeah, the cabinet, I think. Cappernock, I'm not in this court. I don't know who's a football player. I don't know what his team is or whatever, he kneeled and everybody was like,

[00:45:07] oh, yeah, it's just, here's the military. And that one came a big thing and I was like, you disrespect the military and everyone's like made it. And the reason he did that was the protest police brutality, but everyone made it about hating the military

[00:45:25] but no one actually stopped to listen to him. He actually can, yeah. He's like, no, I can't think of the word. Not confined but you know what I mean? Like he basically asked some of the military people like what's the best way to protest this

[00:45:47] and the military people themselves were saying kneeled during the national end because people will notice. Yeah, I mean it's the whole thing but I can't understand about the capricut next thing is that like why is he public enemy number one when he takes a beautiful ball game?

[00:46:05] But then things that are so clearly against the interests of the country are just like swept under the rug and just like not even discussed like blackwater for example. Yes, like there is, hang on. There is something I want to address right here

[00:46:29] that I saw a post of and I forgot her name, Lea Thomas is that that trans woman who is at the Olympics, I saw a post that it was her, next to, forget the name, I don't want to remember his name.

[00:46:54] Oh, rapist Brock Turner and someone posted a picture of the two of them and said why is the swimmer on the left more offensive than the swimmer on the right? You know, people so call him like swimmer, Brock Turner's like athlete they call him like stuff like that.

[00:47:20] No, when I if I ever talk about him, I say rapist Brock Turner. Because that's what he is and they gave him a light sentence because oh it's gonna ruin his life like what about the girl? What about the girl behind the doctor?

[00:47:41] And but then nobody back to night about that. But then that trans woman went to a went to metal. She's ruining sports. She should be bad, she's horrible. Yeah, it's just that word. It's just like so upside down. And yeah, like, so that you're kind of getting at

[00:48:04] and like why they get why they go after some things but not others because it's quote unquote safe to go after those. Like if they go after the other things then then they have to look inward and they don't want to do that. Exactly.

[00:48:20] And that and I do think that there is a certain element to that where it's like we need to examine those things. We need to sort of turn this inward and examine those things here and like give it a serious examination

[00:48:34] like why am I taking the other thing too is like don't take things super personally. Like it's not it's not always about you as an individual. Like sometimes it's about like a bigger thing than that. You know what I'm saying?

[00:48:49] Yeah, it's like I'm starting to really hate the word all. And you know why? Yes, yes, oh my god. Oh yeah, all lives matter. Stop all hate. No, I say people say black lives matter or stop Asian hate people. The people on that side love to go

[00:49:10] hmm, all lives matter. Stop all hate not just Asian hate. No, yeah, you're just it's safer to say that because it sounds good. Yes, stop all hate. All lives do matter. But if you're actually stopping listen to what we have to say what they have to say,

[00:49:29] then you realize it's bigger than that. It's more than just saying, oh, all lives matter everything's good now because we say we agree all lives matter. Yay, like but what's life better to you? Right exactly. Yes, because then George Floyd gets brutally.

[00:49:48] He gets murdered by a cop on camera. Oh well, he was like, he was selling drugs. He must've been a criminal. The cop wouldn't have done that enough yet or reason. It's like no, he definitely did not have a reason. He, oh, he was convicted.

[00:50:05] I'm so glad he was convicted. Literally when he was in, he was on trial. I literally was really my eyes every time I saw it and I was just standing. I'm like, we know he's gonna get off. Why are we doing this again? And then he got convicted.

[00:50:20] I was watching it live. I'm just kind of like, all right, let's get to celebrate guilty. Like what? I thought things are finally going to change and then they passed themselves on the back and just everything went back to the way it was.

[00:50:36] I know and it's like crumb. It's like he gets crumb for all of these things and it's like they have, it's felt very like performative at that point it felt very lish like, exactly. Throwing people alone and just like, like they knew that they couldn't get away

[00:50:52] with this one incident but so they had to do something but you know what it comes down to like brass tax like it's nothing changed. Yeah, like mid 2020 when all the protests were going on, all these companies, they sounded like there we know things

[00:51:10] were finally going to change. And they're like, we're going to step up and we're going to take an act of part. Yes! Okay, Mrs. Butterworth is canceled. Wait, what? And Uncle Ben, he's canceled too. That's not what we were talking about. Right, I think they were exactly.

[00:51:29] They like did that, I can't even know what it's called. Was there a hand in the name? Yes, yeah. And then they're like, we did good. All right, now. It's like, no, that's what I like is, you know, now it's Pride Month now.

[00:51:46] And so it's that time of the year where every brand of town changes their profile picture to rainbow and every, they start selling rainbow merchandise, which, you know, it's good that they're, you know, it's kind of a two-way disorder there like the, maybe this wrong word.

[00:52:05] You know what I mean? It's good they're acknowledging it. But it's not enough just to sell a rainbow hat or whatever. Then you got target on the other hand. We need more people like target, which I know, you and I, like we keep jokingly saying,

[00:52:25] yeah, because capitalism or we don't, we make fun of it. But targets doing something that you don't see other people do, the other big companies, they're actually doing more than just selling rainbow stuff. I was there a few months ago and they were selling chest binders,

[00:52:42] which is huge. Oh, yes, I saw that. And I took a picture, I have a friend of mine who is a trans guy. And I sent that to him and he's sent me back crying emojis. Like where is that?

[00:52:59] I'm like target and they was just sitting more crying emojis. And I'm like, this is, that's what we need. That's what we need more, not rainbow merchandise. Yeah, we need more, you know, I'll do these things to make us less like support. And all of these things,

[00:53:21] I mean, they're coming for us, you guys. They are coming for us after Roe V. Wade is over turned, which we all met, the new turn. Yeah. I mean, they're going to, what's going to stop them from going after Dave Wright? What's going to stop them from going?

[00:53:40] You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So like we need all the support that we can get everybody does. And going back to the propaganda thing, they, I mean, it's staying in the same subject but kind of changing the direction towards propaganda.

[00:53:56] You can create propaganda by phrasing things a certain way. So, you know, we're approach choice, but they're pro life, which sounds great. Of course we've pro life, we want life. Life is good, but you know, whose life? It's not really pro life. It's more like anti, anti choice.

[00:54:20] Pro, there's pro choice and anti choice. There's no pro life. Yeah, pro life, I believe it's pro, where it's pro birth. Yeah, there is. I like that. That's a better way to where I do this is what happens when we're unscripted.

[00:54:43] Well, I don't think I'm not speak good. You know what I mean? Me either. Me either. Totally totally. Totally, totally, I totally know what you mean. But yeah, that's another way that propaganda gets there. You know, it's just there's so much propaganda all around us constantly.

[00:55:13] And it's really, really like once your eyes are open to all the different propaganda that like just is everywhere. Because it's literally everywhere. But once you're like eyes are open to it, it's kind of like you can't untie it. Yeah, it started out small for me.

[00:55:35] Like that started researching like as well. I was in high school, like near the end of my high school time. I wanted to read more about like sounding as a country. And I've read more just so many legendary stories about like we think everybody know now

[00:55:50] that's a territory never happened. That everyone knows that never happened. Then like so many other things never happened to. Like you know, like Paul Revere, the British are coming, the British are coming. Oh, that wasn't him. You know who that was? Who?

[00:56:08] My grandfather, my great great great great grandfather. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Dr. Samuel Prescott, he was actually the one that just met the two men and a men that said this is British from Propagne. See the old list Paul Revere. Nice.

[00:56:37] Yeah, that's a little bit of American history that I found out when I was a kid. But seeing the what I was doing the the research until like the actual truth and just like it's also possible that strong.

[00:56:51] What yeah, so like what I have been finding is that that didn't happen the way that we were told because this was a British colony. Remember, the British were already here. Right. So like how can the British becoming if this is where the British were?

[00:57:15] I mean, that's fair. And then that's one thing I saw that and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And then like the more I learned, the more I realized that everything we learned was false. And then like the big moment that made me realize only craft people are blind

[00:57:33] to this was Pearl Harbor. The way I was taught and way I'm pretty sure you were taught, never one listening to this in America. It was taught was the Japanese attack completely unprovoked. They had no reason to attack us.

[00:57:44] We were poor innocent America and they just came in. They were mean and they bummed us. But then I start, you know, I want to BBC documentary that changed my life. It turns out like they weren't, it wasn't like an ex-posset thing.

[00:58:01] Like here's the truth of what really happened. It was just the BBC telling this story. This is how the rest of the world tells the Pearl Harbor story, that truth is it wasn't unprovoked. The US had an embargo on Japan and the Philippines.

[00:58:17] And they pan, they did that to stop more shifts from going out there. So that's not made then. That's the reason Pearl Harbor happened. Like, because it did kind of confuse me growing up like why would that just so random?

[00:58:33] Like there was nothing between us from what, you know, you look back and read and they knew that. Like people at the top, they knew that's the reason but they wanted to go to war. So they left that detail out.

[00:58:48] So it's like people wanted to go to war and they're like okay, I guess we have no choice for going to war. And so like I found that out and I was shocked and it bit excited. I'm like, oh wow, it's cool.

[00:59:01] And then so I went to go tell people and people started getting that and they're like, oh you're listening to that brain, you're being brainwashed by the breeders of course they want to make us look bad. And there's like there were one of our closest allies.

[00:59:17] It's literally the only time I've ever heard my grandfather's cry. Oh real though. That's literally the only time I've ever heard my grandfather's swear. He, um, I told him the path that was for Harvard and he was he yelled, that is bullshit. Oh my gosh.

[00:59:37] And so that's when I realize that people don't want to actually hear the truth. Yeah, because it's really hard. It's really hard. I've noticed that it's really hard for some people to like hear the truth. And like that part, that's something that like my brain doesn't understand

[00:59:56] because like I didn't come with that part just like unshielded loyalty kind of a thing. Like the my brain just didn't like I just didn't come with that part. And so it like and I feel like you didn't either.

[01:00:09] And so I think for people like us, it's very confusing and very frustrating when like we're trying to teach people about like, you know, you find out like these cool history facts about like, oh actually that's not what happens.

[01:00:23] And then people just sort of try and shut you down because like that, like I'm just a naturally curious person. And so like I want to know like I just want to know the truth like what actually happened.

[01:00:34] And if that means that like it's not actually true that my great-great-grandfather did really take the message to the minute men, then I would not be shocked if that was not true. Like if somebody right now, like emailed your podcast

[01:00:46] and was like actually it wasn't like that's not what happened. I would be like that totally like that track because we've been lied to about everything else. So why not why not that do? Yeah, I don't know if you noticed but whenever you were you're talking about that,

[01:01:02] your grandfather was that I kind of had to take that was getting ready to say, oh that didn't happen the way it was written. You said that I kind of had to take it like,

[01:01:08] today should I tell our best and then you said it might not even happen. I'm like okay, then I'll just say yeah. Yeah totally exactly like I'm open. I'm totally open to it not being true. Yeah, at this point it's probably not you know.

[01:01:23] Yeah so you and I like if you're saying like we're different like I've been it's done like oh we're special we're not like other people but like in a way yeah kind of but like

[01:01:33] not in the way that that sounds. So like you and I see the truth and everyone else hides from it. Yes that's a great way of putting it. I do think it's getting better though like I do think that there are a lot of people

[01:01:50] more that are like willing to have their eyes open especially like in the millennial generation and in younger generations I feel like it's becoming much more eye-opening and like people are more open and like willing to accept like that it's not all true you know.

[01:02:05] Yeah it's like people I remember growing up people would blindly believe everything the government said like my family and the egg-very-body was just like the government says it's true so it has to be true don't doubt the government because you know they know

[01:02:18] what's best for us they're not going to lead us astray and now like I don't know that many people that trust the government. I know right. They they definitely tried to separate us with like you were talking earlier about the separating us into groups and stuff and I

[01:02:38] to think I I have noticed that with like political party. You notice with like with the Trump supporter that became a thing like having like Trump supporter like that is a thing Trump supporter

[01:02:51] but like you don't see Biden supporter and then I've had I have a bunch of Trump supporter friends they use that against Biden like see he doesn't have supporters because you don't hear people say Biden supporters like no because he doesn't have a cult formed around him.

[01:03:10] And that's really kind of what it is become like the political party has really kind of become like cult in their own way. Yeah I did have a tech talk on my tech talk longing

[01:03:23] Oh when I was at working at the convenience store that I was telling you about there was because it's that was in Trump territory in Ohio. There's like everyone there's Trump supporters

[01:03:39] there was a Trump rally in our parking lot they weren't supposed to be there and even corporate called they could see the camera like hey tell them they have to leave but then the manager was like

[01:03:50] he was a huge supporter. He is he supported Q and on but he claimed he wasn't one he's like I just liked their ideas and he was the manager there that day and he was no they're

[01:04:00] not hurting anyone but like oh they're way worse because one of the coworkers that was black and he was getting so uncomfortable because you know and one of the trucks right front of

[01:04:13] our door there was a a pickup truck backed out entirely in Trump stuff there were like six American flags like hanging off this thing like sticking at the windows and everything and it's like

[01:04:27] if that's not a cult I don't know what it is. Absolutely like that's like yeah I'm not ashamed to say I voted for Biden not because I like him or I love him or I agree with everything he says

[01:04:45] I literally only voted for him because he wasn't Trump and I still I don't like Biden I never liked him I literally it was the he was the better of the two evils there was evil

[01:04:58] and then just there was it's like voting it's like I don't know um and so like because I was open about voting for Biden people on the Trump side that are on my friends list assume that I have

[01:05:11] the same loyalty towards Biden as they did they do for their leader and so like if something if Biden doesn't stupid though like here's your president like yeah that was stupid that he did that

[01:05:25] so you admit that he's got a good president like I never said he was so Trump's your president no it's not black and white like yes yeah and it's okay so like Trump was

[01:05:41] extreme I was going to like far extreme one direction Biden is far extreme the other direction and that's what we don't we don't need that we need someone in the middle and extreme center if you will it's like a weights faster times we need that someone who's like

[01:06:08] not okay there's going to be bias no matter what but someone who because like Biden is biased I don't like him everyone is biased but like because he is so that's why I think we need to

[01:06:22] get it independent in there because I we're not going to do that there's not much difference between the two big parties and that's why we need like a third party thing there um people are saying oh yeah the independence they have they haven't changed to win

[01:06:42] that's because they're on the balance yes they're on the balance but how many how many candidates are in the debates at the end don't be four candidates on the balance they'll be four candidates on the ballot for president but only two of them up there debating

[01:07:01] I know it's just a mess man and I mean this is a mess it's all a mess besides there's a part of me that's like it's a page one rewrite like we just got a start over

[01:07:15] we do we need to we need to start from scratch and I especially just the fact that like so many people especially like the the far-right people they look to like the literal words of the

[01:07:32] constitution and say oh we can't do this because the constitution says it like that that one justice who says that I'm going to keep abortion illegal because just thing that was said

[01:07:42] in the 1600's that was what like 600 years ago 700 years ago I'm looking at the best thing but yeah okay if it was if you were referencing a piece of a article written in 50 years ago I'd say that was

[01:08:00] out of date this is 700 years ago there is no way that's even irrelevant to now why are you making major decisions like that based on that I mean yeah it's just it's very I'm not saying that like all

[01:08:22] of our ideas were bad one like I think that we have some rules that like we should keep like don't sexually assault people that's a good rule that you know like we like we should keep that

[01:08:36] rule that's a great rule to keep and like to have but like there are a lot of other things as well that are just like bad rules like the fact that the police aren't actually there to protect you

[01:08:53] like that you know what I'm saying and so it's like like that's not great you guys not good yeah um you were saying earlier that like some people like they threw those kind of laws in there

[01:09:08] to like a breath of wording you said but like it sounds good so like the rest must be good like don't murder anybody don't sexually assault people don't do this to me that like yeah that's

[01:09:20] like someone that's like they want to like I'm patting the back or parade because they said racism is bad like no like that is basic human like knowledge like species yes like you shouldn't

[01:09:33] be celebrated for saying racism is bad or like I don't like rape like pedophiles deserve it to like rotting jell or whatever or just rot in a hole or something like you don't deserve

[01:09:44] it a patting back or a parade that's basic that's if you just now coming to that realization like I don't know what to tell you that's not a revelation this is why I think common sense

[01:09:58] should be labeled a superpower yes we have common sense you know what I'm saying I do and I've worked retell for so many years I can tell you people don't have common sense especially the

[01:10:15] older people like you're saying like um okay so like they say like the older people like they're not qualified to to do like a whole bunch of stuff like like if they're restarting age and

[01:10:28] they can't do this can't do that but why are they almost exclusively running the country right exactly and they're also the ones that like I could tell you I'm you've worked retell

[01:10:41] right I think we've talked about that yeah so I mean we I think we shared some of our horror stories about like boomers in retell and I very very rarely have had a negative encounter with someone

[01:10:56] like close to our age almost all of the experiences where older people in fact you don't like the stereotype of um okay here's an analogy I saw like uh okay so that's uh you're walking

[01:11:12] down the middle of a street and you gotta choose this sidewalk or that's sidewalk and walking up one sidewalk isn't is an old as a middle-aged white guy and walking up you know he's a suit and

[01:11:24] tie and he looks presentable and then on coming up the other sidewalk is is a black guy with change and tattoos and you know a muscle shirt which street are you gonna walk up honestly the black

[01:11:37] guy because I working in a retail for years I'm more afraid of older white people I agree I I I I I I I I I prefer to be alone if I'm being completely honest I would just keep walking

[01:11:51] up the center of the I I agree um I would just walk down and keep walking up the center of the street especially if there's no no cars are gonna come these the center of the street if you're walking

[01:12:02] down the yellow you're fine but like yeah like that's the stereotype was like oh these black people are are are are evil and no fugs but like I'm not like I don't like like statements like oh

[01:12:15] all black people are nice but like generally that's that's been my experience it's been white people that I've been afraid of. It's the fear of mongering you know. Yeah it's the way that they

[01:12:32] they they try to set the brainwashing propaganda that. Exactly yeah exactly we plan it all all road lead back to American propaganda yes it does I mean I don't I just don't like is it that hard

[01:12:54] to be nice people yeah like it's really that is a full you know what I'm saying yeah like to quote Charlton Heston and the movie we don't like to talk about from 2001 the which I'm only I'm

[01:13:09] gonna say this one time and trying not to throw over my mouth Tim Burton's plan to the old Steve over my mouth Charlton Heston that can't we all just get along and I hate that it

[01:13:24] comes from that movie because it's the only good thing that comes from it. And yeah it's true okay I witnessed something last night and I haven't told anybody and it kind of traumatic

[01:13:42] and I will have to say trigger warning to the people listening and even to you like are you okay with domestic violence okay don't I should have ordered like no I know okay with that I definitely not like go domestic violence like yeah like and I don't

[01:14:07] think again another good rule like don't do that okay that's gonna be soundbited to sure like I won't take a domestic violence okay so I was on the bus home and this couple gets on

[01:14:21] and already but uh a guy and some girl and she's already crying when they get on the bus they sit in the back they're like I'm like five feet away from them I don't know what happened

[01:14:36] I just know she's crying I don't know what happened for all I know someone just died so I just know she's crying and he's like speaking to her like but he's like it's like in her ear like

[01:14:51] only she can hear it and she's just kind of cringe it like kind of like shrinks down like make yourself look smaller I don't know what's happened between them but he starts slapping her and she's like

[01:15:02] trying to like put your arms on the bus she's like put your arms up to defend herself and he's like slapping her and that's the next stop the bus driver stop his YouTube off and I would have

[01:15:17] just kicked him off because I felt so bad for her like I wanted her to stay on and get away from them but bus driver keeps them both off like I can and so like what happened the world come to

[01:15:31] and the reason I bring it up is like I've been in an abusive relationship and I know friend who are in an abusive relationship and my thought is how hard is it to just not abuse your partner like

[01:15:48] apparently it can be very difficult sometimes apparently like I mean you would think that it would be super easy out like but you know it's not like if you love this person that you claim to be

[01:16:02] like you claim to love in it you're with like why are you slapping her why do you make you her cry like you should be the one comforting her when she's praying I mean like I again and so

[01:16:15] like people yes they do and that comes back the reason I bring that up is again like how hard as it's not be abusive how hard is it to just not be racist or not be homophobic or not be

[01:16:31] whatever it's you have to it's like you have to go out of your way to do these things I know it's just saying I just think that's like it really begins with education you do but the audience probably will find I know people that try to find

[01:16:52] cracks in what you say oh of course and but guess what you guys I'm not perfect I you know I answered a question without thinking without the I answered the question that you asked me about domestic violence without even thinking like that was a little my bad

[01:17:09] you know I'm saying like I didn't think about it because I knew it because I knew what you meant like obviously I saw it with domestic violence but you know what I'm saying like I just

[01:17:19] quickly you know but so you know what I'm saying like that's but that's as long as you're like it's progress it's progress like I you know I caught myself and I was like oh okay and like you

[01:17:32] caught it like and I'm totally open to like constructive criticism what I'm not open to is when people are just being mean oh yeah just being blatantly mean that's what that's like but if you

[01:17:44] actually have something constructive to say and like you want to point out something that like I did wrong and a mistake that I made absolutely go for it like I'm I'm all ears I'm totally willing

[01:17:54] because I know I'm not perfect and I'm totally willing to like adapt and change and I've viewed but that but that's part of the education that's part of what it means to be

[01:18:04] to educate yourself and your peers and you know the people around you and like and your kids like that it's it all goes back to education that's where it starts that's why I think

[01:18:17] it was a good place for us to start was with the education with like propaganda yeah that's where it all begins and that's also where it all ends too is the education because once you stop

[01:18:29] learning then I mean if you're kind of done you know what I'm saying yeah like again going back to the space I'm glad we had that space before we talked because yeah like it's kind of like a

[01:18:43] primer for this and like kind of like we're always constantly learning and growing like the I'm glad like Marcey said the stuff that she said because like I hadn't even thought of it like the way she said it I was like when actually was talking I'm like

[01:19:00] huh I never thought of it from that position oh yeah but that's good though that's good exactly yeah you know it's part of the education exactly I know I like um 10 years ago I

[01:19:13] probably would have gotten all of set because like I did when people started to point it calling me out on stuff like 10 years ago longer ago like I think like the first time it happened was in like

[01:19:25] 2010 someone started calling me out like because I was pushing for stuff like I was very open online about like my views and stuff and people started calling me out and I would get all the

[01:19:35] offensive and angry if she had said that back then I would have probably like blocked or something but now I'm like I went like no call me out on stuff I want to learn and grow I want to get past this

[01:19:47] exactly because like it isn't Melissa I don't like you and I like went like because again we're not perfect we're not doing stuff maliciously and if you call us out we're going to fix it oh yeah

[01:20:03] yeah and I will be the first person to tell you that like I don't know everything I'm really good at producing like I know everything but I don't know yeah that's why that's why

[01:20:15] long-term I'm on planet Earth the more I understand how much of it it I am I don't know what I don't know it's like that's why earlier I was like we're not experts which is two friends talking

[01:20:32] yeah exactly and we don't know what we're talking about we only know our own experiences right and let's be very honest we're two white people that have a very different lived experience and yeah like a minority you know what I'm saying yes okay so like

[01:20:51] another thing I haven't talked about in this episode I'm trying to avoid bringing it up until the episode the episode I told you about that the last episode of the that you said oh yeah I'll tell you what it's about I don't want you to in it

[01:21:08] because there would be two white people talking about in Asian experience I want and that that did not occur to me yeah you said it I was like oh my gosh I'm such an idiot

[01:21:19] yeah no I just called you out on the podcast and I'm sorry no yeah it's totally fine that's that's what I want I want someone who either experience it themselves or has family who

[01:21:34] experienced it for that reason because you know what I totally get it I'm not offended at all in fact I feel bad and I feel like I was being offensive and I'm super sorry yeah because I

[01:21:45] I know no I get it like I'm like you're still learning growing like but like I also don't want this to sound like world where two people saying racism is bad right right right right yeah

[01:22:01] we should be we need a parade where's our statue is said her own is we said racism is bad we just have a plaque I believe right give me an award don't give me a don't you don't know

[01:22:15] not for this not for just blatantly stating the most obvious thing on planet earth home do you know Philip the Franco yeah yeah yeah well I mean I don't I don't I don't

[01:22:29] we know I know it's me those one time he did something funny on his dough he went I'm going to say something revolutionary and this might be a new thought that's never been said before but

[01:22:40] racism is bad he had like edits and stuff or like banners were coming out and like like hero of the year as a joke obviously but it was funny because there's some people that have

[01:22:53] that mindset like yeah I have some people put like BLM in their like in their bio but then they're like also posting like very not BLM positive stuff so like I some people I think

[01:23:15] it's kind of like with brands just changing the logo to rainbow like they don't know what it means they're just they know it's popular to do it so it's like people will look finally on me if I say

[01:23:26] black lies matter so yeah what does it mean to say black lies matter um black lives matter but why because all lies not crap right again with all I hate the word oh thank you right

[01:23:49] missing you sorry I'm getting something you're in colon so I know you can see me I can see you but I'm sorry get the guy wasn't doing anything embarrassing I hear let me turn the mic off and blow my nose. She'll never go

[01:24:26] what was I gonna say I don't even remember I don't I I lost it I don't know what I was gonna say I lost it I'm sorry you're having a senior moment you're not even a senior I am though I'm so

[01:24:41] old I'm like 4,000 years old you guys it's a nightmare I'm either 7 I'm either 7 or I'm 4,000 years old there's really no in between you are 30 I am 29 you were very close well because you said 93 and Emory is and they're about oh yeah that's right you're your

[01:25:02] never mind actually I should probably edit out Emory's age there but anyway you think your ancient has your 29 I had two weeks ago I turned 38 I mean yeah no 34 well happy birthday happy-related birthday well I don't ever make a big deal about it here's the

[01:25:26] thing though people ask me how old I am and I have to think about it oh I do shoot I'm so bad with that check it's like they think I'm joking they're like oh how old did you turn I'm like um 34

[01:25:42] I don't even know yeah I was like I literally like 98 I was 10 and 98 and some 20 and 2008 2018 I was 30 so I'm a friend of mine when I told him I was 34 said you're older than Jesus technically technically thanks for that oh my god my head seems

[01:26:17] no I just thought of something like one of my co-workers um uh she's 15 one of my favorite co-workers and we actually we oh I can't hear you can you hear me yes oh okay sorry what's the last

[01:26:44] second what's the last thing you heard um that was the last thing I heard oh well did you hear me see say that she was singing I wanted that way yeah yeah yeah okay so what's the

[01:26:59] further than that story that you got that was as far as I got no okay it's she told me that I was gonna start it older okay all right so it's just singing I wanted that way along with a song

[01:27:13] and I'm like oh you know this song you see guys yeah my my mom wanted to shoot my mom wanted to them when she was a little girl and I went oh oh oh

[01:27:25] oh I got so old oh oh there's something I love to say because it everybody it makes them hurt physically um you know this one called me maybe yes it came out over a decade ago

[01:27:46] January 2012 we eat on talk about that no wait a second I thought that also um when Friday by Rebecca Black came out she had just turned 13 now um actually hang on hey Google how old is Rebecca Black for Becca Black is 24 years old

[01:28:19] that's fun I love that I mean I hate it but I love it at the same time right good time you can tell you you have extra stencil dread you know the usual

[01:28:32] her bill yeah so this guy I went to high school with he posted a selfie on Facebook by the year ago and he had some grain is beard and I was like nope I don't like that

[01:28:49] nope not for me oh my gosh oh yeah we should probably wrap up this part of the podcast because we still have a whole other episodes to report today oh okay yeah all right so um so Abigail inclusion what are your takeaways from all of this

[01:29:18] just be nice to people and also American propaganda sucks and just be cautious about what you learn and like what you're teaching like don't you know don't think that you have like all the answers

[01:29:32] kind of a thing okay so before I stopped at your courting okay that was actually that was completely thinking you wanted to say right yeah okay so I'm going to in the episode here say bye I have a girl for another five minutes have a good